60+ Years of Engineering Built Into One AI Framework

AI software development is changing software engineering forever, but most AI tools produce code that drifts, hallucinates, and needs constant rework. What if test-driven development, refactoring, and product engineering discipline could be baked into every AI-generated line of code? Michele Brissoni, Alessandro Di Gioia, and Marco Consolaro have a combined 60+ years of experience — from Ferrari Formula One to Fortune 500 DevOps transformations to writing the award-winning book on TDD. They built nWave to answer that question.

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GUESTS

Michele Brissoni - Founder of BrickX Consulting, Fractional CTO, Host of Forge of Unicorns Podcast

Michele has 20+ years in software engineering, starting with behavioural engineering at Ferrari F1 during the Schumacher era. He invented the Software Craftsmanship Dojo, led a DevOps transformation at IBM across 15,000 people, and has hosted 80+ episodes interviewing the people behind 52 unicorn companies.

Alessandro Di Gioia - Software Craftsman, Technical Coach, Co-founder of Alcor Academy

Alessandro co-authored "Agile Technical Practices Distilled" with Marco and Pedro Santos, a multi-award-winning book on TDD, refactoring, and software design. He's been teaching outside-in development at conferences like NDC, DDD Europe, and DevOps Days for years. He's the primary builder behind nWave's deterministic execution system.

Marco Consolaro - Software Craftsman, Technical Coach, Co-founder of Alcor Academy

Marco co-authored "Agile Technical Practices Distilled" and has spent years teaching software craftsmanship and TDD. He brings a focus on the human side of engineering — sustainable pace, team dynamics, and the importance of trust in building quality software.

Find them:
- nWave GitHub: https://github.com/nWave-ai
- Michele's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelebrissoni
- Alessandro's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandro-di-gioia/
- Marco's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/consolaro/

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
03:00 The Origin Story: From Early AI Tools to nWave
08:03 The Career Lesson Behind nWave
10:17 Discuss nWave: Understanding What to Build and For Whom
26:16 Design nWave: Architecture with Adversarial Reviews
38:41 DevOps and Distill nWaves: CI/CD and Acceptance Tests Before Code
41:42 Deliver nWave: Outside-In TDD with Fresh Context Every Step
52:51 "Doesn't This Make You Slower?" — The Rework Argument
01:02:25 What Do You Do While nWave Is Working?
01:05:34 Closing and How to Contribute

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RESOURCES MENTIONED

Link with all research material used to build nWave: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yvSDNwj-F1amEavoX3Qz4oRZfw-9XKF9/view

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CONNECT WITH PRODUCT ENGINEERS

Host: Peppe Silletti
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peppesilletti/

Product Engineers Community:
Website: https://productengineers.com
Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/4sMtRNSgU4

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